Create Out Loud With Jennifer Louden

Have you been saying "no" to that inner-voice begging you to be creative? Are you a working creative who has been feeling especially burned out? It's time to say yes. It's time to Create Out Loud. Hosted by bestselling creative entrepreneur Jennifer Louden, Create Out Loud is a weekly show featuring conversations with creative people about the nitty-gritty of everyday creative life: like how to establish rituals and routines, how to navigate envy, and even how to MAKE MONEY. Yes, even the awkward stuff. So tune in with us every week because it's time for YOU to Create Out Loud! Support this podcast:

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Tuesday Jun 07, 2022

In this last episode of season 2 of Create Out Loud, I share with you some tips for creating out loud, making your thing, finding your desire to create, putting pen to paper (and brush to canvas)... 
Listen to the episode to learn: 
What it means to give yourself permission to be seen as a creator 
Why quantity over quality can help you produce better work 
My top tip for picking a project up again when it’s been forgotten 
How to be uncomfortable with uncertainty 
How to create a daily habit without becoming prisoner to it 
Why forgetting about talent is one of the best things you can do for your creative work
Why you are not your work and why you need to remember that 
This was one of my favorite solo episodes to record, because I got to share with you the tips for creating out loud that I usually only share during one-on-one coaching or on retreats. 
Episode resources: 
My book, Why Bother: Discover the Desire for What’s Next, is a great resource for learning to create out loud. 
Your feedback is so important to me! I’d love to bring back Create Out Loud for a third season, but I need your feedback about what you’d like to hear on the new season. You can leave a review on Apple podcasts, or email me at 

Tuesday May 31, 2022

Does the thought of the climate crisis decimating our world fill you with thoughts of doom and gloom… 
Thoughts like: 
No matter what I do it doesn’t matter… 
Why bother with ANY of my desires if there won’t be a world to live in?... 
I’m powerless in the face of large corporations that continue to ignore their impact on the planet so they can profit… 
Take a deep breath. And another one. 
In this episode of Create Out Loud, I talk about one of the topics that moved me to write my book, Why Bother? Discover the Desire for What’s Next – climate change. Climate crisis. Climate emergency. 
Instead of stopping the conversation with “we’re doomed”, I’m challenging you in this episode to think about what you can do, as someone who creates.
How can you use your creativity, and your desire to amplify the message, provide support to climate scientists, and spread the message of hope. Because without hope, we give up, and if we give up on trying to solve this problem then we are 100% doomed. 
Do I know if hoping and creating will cause global change? 
No. But I know what the immense cost of doing nothing is. 
Listen to the episode to learn: 
Why you don’t need to be a climate scientist to talk about climate change 
How you can leverage your creativity to make a difference 
Why thinking about global impact will keep you stuck… instead, think about community impact 
Why we need to make the problem smaller and ourselves bigger 
A lot of my thinking about climate change is informed by A Field Guide to Climate Anxiety by Sarah Jacquette RayGet your copy here: Amazon | Bookshop
Check out the first chapter of my book, Why Bother: Discover the Desire for What’s Next right here

Tuesday May 24, 2022

This episode is all about how seeking wonder can help you bother again and embracing the natural fallow period after you finish a big project.
I’m joined by Andrea Scher, author of Wonder Seeker: 52 Ways to Wake up Your Creativity and Find Your Joy, to talk about how to fill up your creative well when its run dry.. 
We talk about the power of mixing up your routines to try something new – going for a walk and finding a new plant, taking pictures, going to a new restaurant – as a way of sparking creativity and finding desire. 
Our brains react in fear to trying new things, to hanging out in the liminal space of venturing into the unknown, but it’s when we put ourselves in those spaces that we grow. 
We also talk about how the pressure to monetize our creativity keeps us stuck not creating. Instead, what would it look like if you created without the expectation of making money, or “being creative”, or even getting better at what you create? What would it look like if you created for creativity’s sake? 
Listen to the episode to learn: 
How to seek wonder in your everyday life
How to find ambition and creativity as you age
Why just being there in life is enough
How to bother when it seems like your life is falling apart
What Andrea and I’s superpowers are 
Check out these resources: 
Andrea’s podcast The Creative Superheroes, and look for me in a recent episode! 
Andrea’s book Wonder Seeker: 52 Ways to Wake up Your Creativity and Find Your Joy - Get your copy here: Amazon | Bookshop
Unbound by Kasia Urbaniak 

Tuesday May 17, 2022

Not everyone listening to this podcast wants to make money by being creative, but a larger number of people believe that they CAN’T make money from creative pursuits. That is NOT true!
I’m joined by the author of The Middle Finger Project and Meat and Hair, Ash Ambirge, to give a big ol’ middle finger to the idea that you can’t make money by being creative. 
We talk about how important it is to devote time to your happiness, how to manage multiple streams of creative income, and just how important it is to believe that you can make money by being creative. 
Ash Ambirge runs three businesses that she built herself, and is currently curating a fourth. How did she do it? Ash has ALWAYS had an entrepreneurial spirit, and in today's episode, Jen and Ash discuss how being creative shares a lot in common with running a business.
Listen to the episode to learn: 
How Ash is able to devote two whole days to happiness, not work 
How to ignore your itty bitty shitty committee telling you that you can’t make money by being creative 
How Ash is dedicated to giving the middle finger to imposter syndrome 
Why getting started in your business doesn’t have to be complicated 
Just how effective a simple newsletter can be
How important it is to create a system to sell your work 
Episode resources: 
Ash Ambirge’s latest book, The Middle Finger ProjectGet your copy here: Amazon | Bookshop
Ash has two amazing newsletters that I highly recommend joiningMeat and Hair, a creative writing newsletter
The Middle Finger newsletter for tips on making money online
Wynter, a nifty tool to see test how your messaging is landing
ConvertKit, an email marketing tool best for deliverability and segmentation
Buzzsumo, a tool that shows you what high-quality content looks like 
Zapier, a productivity platform that connects all of your apps 

Tuesday May 10, 2022

Do you spend thousands on marketing, or hours researching trendy new marketing strategies… and it doesn’t move the needle forward? 
Then this episode of Create Out Loud is for you. 
In this episode, Jen Louden talks about the importance of ecosystem marketing. 
It’s all about finding out where your people are, and communicating with them there. 
Not to sell anything. Just to connect. 
Are you…. sweating just thinking about that?
Are you thinking “that’s not me! I don’t do all that social media stuff?” 
Or do you just desperately wish your book could market itself (don’t we all)?
Reaching out and connecting with people can be terrifying, but when we do it IT WORKS. 
In this solo episode, Jen talks through why ecosystems are so important and how they can be nourishing instead of scary. 
Listen to the episode to learn more about: 
What ecosystem marketing is 
Why relying solely on traditional marketing is giving up control 
Why YOU are the only one who can build and connect your ecosystems 
How being in relationship and connection with your audience can make you a stronger writer
How connecting with others doesn’t have to mean relying on technology or social media 
Episode Resources: 
Check out the Create Out Loud episode with Pam Slim about her book The Widest Net. 
Buy The Widest Net by Pamela Slim
Here’s a great newsletter about making money from creative pursuits. It’s a bit bro-y, so take the good parts and leave the rest.
Need an extra push to get started on your non-fiction book? Check out this free resource. 

Tuesday May 03, 2022

We can be remarkably uncomfortable discussing money, but what if we shifted our relationship with the topic by instead recognizing how money can facilitate freedom, power, and creative potential? This is Paco’s mission. As a creative, author, consultant, and coach, Paco is passionate about empowering people, particularly those who identify as women, to step into their power. 
On today’s show, Jen and Paco discuss:
How business instincts can be artistic, creative, and fulfilling
How to make it as independent contractor
How to figure out how much you’re “worth” when finding clients
What it means to schedule financial “time”
Shifting your mindset towards your business to focus on problem solving
You will love Paco’s ideas and even more, her comforting truth-telling vibe!
Paco de Leon is an author, illustrator, musician. She is the founder of The Hell Yeah Group, a financial firm dedicated to inspiring creatives to engage with their personal and business finances and Hell Yeah, Bookkeeping, a bookkeeping agency for creative businesses. Her career experiences in banking, business consulting, financial planning, and wealth management have informed her financial philosophies. 
She is a TED speaker and her work has been published or featured in The New York Times, Bloomberg, Vice, TIME, on other publications, and on NPR. She lives in Los Angeles with her wife.

Tuesday Apr 26, 2022

Work, relationships, kids, friends… Do you find that everything comes BEFORE your creative desires? 
Or has it been so long that you can’t remember what it’s like to take some time to just be curious, and play with creativity? 
Author Eve Rodsky joins Jen Louden in discussing how our patriarchal society has carved away the time and space women need to pursue their creative passions, and how to reclaim that creative space – your unicorn space. 
Eve Rodsky has spent years researching the hours of unpaid and unrecognized labor that women are conditioned to do, and how it has affected our ability to be creative. Her book, Fairplay, outlines a new system for managing the household that divides labor fairly, and allows plenty of room for creativity and play. 
Her new book, Find Your Unicorn Space talks about reclaiming the space for curiosity, connection and completion needed to live creatively. 
Eve and Jen discuss how to engage in curiosity, the importance of connection in establishing a creative routine, and why completion doesn’t have to mean finishing the whole thing. 
Listen to the episode to learn more about: 
How the unpaid labor that falls on women constrains creativity and curiosity 
A new system for putting your unicorn space FIRST 
How to spark curiosity and follow that spark 
Why creativity is not f*cking optional 
Why you don’t need to be afraid of completion 
Get a copy of Eve Rodsky’s books here: 
Find Your Unicorn Space
Fair Play

Tuesday Apr 19, 2022

Do you have to choose between writing for passion and writing for pay?
Getting paid to write seems like a fantasy to most, and getting paid to write something you are truly passionate about seems even more far-fetched.
Bestselling author Susan Shapiro joins Jen Louden in discussing what it takes to write what you’re passionate about AND get published in different genres. 
Susan Shapiro is the bestselling author/coauthor of 17 books across multiple genres. She has written novels, memoirs, poetry, and more recently – The Book Bible and Byline Bible, two books that guide writers on how to get their work published. 
Susan and Jen discuss how to balance your passion for writing with the practicalities of the publishing world, as well as some hard truths about what it takes to get paid for your writing. 
Listen to this episode to learn more about: 
How to balance writing about your obsessions with giving your audience what they want
Two powerful prompts that will help you write the kinds of stories only YOU can write
How to show vulnerability when writing memoirs, while still maintaining boundaries
When to accept edits to your piece – and when to push back 
The power of literary matchmaking
The biggest mistake that holds writers back from being published – and how to avoid it
How to create energy for writing, every single day
Get a copy of Susan Shapiro’s books on writing here: 
The Book Bible
The Byline Bible
Visit to get instant access to a collection of audios that will help you with some of the most common struggles we creatives have to manage, including: 
The fear of choosing
Falling into compare and despair, managing the inner critic(s)
Feeling too exposed and vulnerable when you put yourself or your work into the world

Tuesday Apr 12, 2022

Have you ever had a grand idea for a creative project, only to never actually start it? 
You get excited about your big (or small) project, but you can’t wrap your head around how to start it. 
In your mind it’s perfect, so how can it ever be as good in reality? Why do you feel fear and dread when you think about starting?
Starting a new project can be one of the hardest parts of the creative process. 
Some of the greatest writers of our generation have talked about the fear of writer's block. Nobel prize winners like Toni Morrison believed every writer faces it. Emotions of dread and uncertainty at starting a new project can get in your way, and experiencing a creative block before you even start can often nip a project in the bud before it has the chance to come to fruition. 
Even in the depths of doubt and overwhelm, there are ALWAYS strategies to get back into it, and figure out how to start making progress on what you desire. 
In this solo episode, Jen talks about why starting a project can be scary, and how to implement small strategies to help you get started today.   
Listen to the episode to learn: 
Why the plunge into the unknown feels so scary – it’s science! 
How to create an emotionally safe environment for you to start 
Why working in itty bitty containers at a time helps keep the momentum going in your project
How to acknowledge progress, instead of chasing perfection
Why you don’t always have to start at the beginning
How to get honest with yourself about your schedule 
A reminder that you’re not married to every project you want
Visit to get instant access to a collection of audios that will help you with some of the most common struggles we creatives have to manage, including: 
The fear of choosing
Falling into compare and despair, managing the inner critic(s)
Feeling too exposed and vulnerable when you put yourself or your work into the world

Tuesday Apr 05, 2022

What are your deepest desires? What is the mystery between you and those desires? Who belongs with you explore those desires? 
Even though she wrote and published as part of her career as a psychiatrist, Sarah Flick never considered herself a real writer. Even though she had wanted to write since she learnt how to read at three, a busy professional and personal life got in the way.
That is, until she attended a retreat with me! Sarah is my first long time student and client to be on the show and she’s a treasure. Sarah's written a gorgeous book Desire, Mystery, and Belonging and we discuss its long beautiful evolution and much more.
How to give ourselves “permission” to write
Why creativity brings us to our most authentic self
How to locate and maintain a life of desire
A practical barometer for feeling desire in our lives
Why creativity will always lead to a sense of belonging
"What a marvellous treasure you hold in your hands, an intimate guide to desire, mystery, and belonging, three qualities we all need to live a life of meaning, beauty, and presence"
Get a copy of Sarah's book here:
Visit to get instant access to a collection of audios that will
help you with some of the most common struggles we creatives have to manage including fear of choosing,
falling into compare and despair, managing the inner critic (s),
and feeling too exposed and vulnerable when you put yourself or your work into the world.


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